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this is Ross coulthart and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and it's good to

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be recording again after what's been

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about a week or so delay for me you

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might not have noticed depending on when

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you listen to the podcast but due to

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some illness in the house and you know

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three young kids and that kind of goes

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around in a cycle I've had to have a

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little bit of a break so there's been no

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shows out earlier in the week when I

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would have liked so what I've put

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together for you before I get back into

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the recording swing of things is a bit

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of a mishmash of February and March's

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highlights from some of the guests there

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were so many big talking points and

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highlights from me personally in the

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last few months from guests such as

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Terry Loveless Bryce Sable Chris bledso

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Roscoe are among others I've picked four

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of those big clips for you as well so if

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there are any interviews you missed out

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on our past on that you've not had a

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chance to listen to yet or weren't sure

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if it was quite for you I've got some

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clips in there I've got Terry Loveless

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talking about some other incidents from

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Devil's Den that weren't involving him

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but have Edie missing 4-1-1 one Vibes

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I've got Bryce Sable talking about the

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clintons and disclosure Chris Bledsoe

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elaborates on a story about being taken

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off Planet during a miffon investigation

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and finally Ross Coulter talking about

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who may be calling his shots when it

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comes to UFO recovery programs in the

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next couple of days there will also be a

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preview pod dropping for April I've

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spent this week getting in touch with

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some guests who are going to be coming

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on the podcast in the next month one of

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them is one of the Skinwalker Ranch crew

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that I've not had on before fingers

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crossed and I just need to wait I can

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confirm the guest schedule before I can

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see who it is because I've done that

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before and then they don't manage to

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come on that kind of stuff happens but

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everyone else is lined up so with that

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I'll announce those names in the preview

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pod that's always a short one look out

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for that in a couple of days time we

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will speak soon and here is Terry

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I am George Knapp listening to that UFO

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podcast and having one hell of a good

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time

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so let's talk about that then and we'll

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Circle back later to some of those those

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childhood incidents

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um of course you're famous for your book

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and the event the incident at Devil's

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Den can you just tell me first whereas

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the devil is Den it sounds very ominous

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and what was it that brought you to

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being there

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you know you know it is ominous and that

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that's the right word to use

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um I spent six years on active duty in

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the Air Force I worked as an EMT in an

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emergency room and my uh co-worker and

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my best friend uh Tobias and I

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um we were both City kids I grew up in

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St Louis Missouri he grew up in Detroit

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Michigan and uh

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we worked a midnight shift 11 P.M to 8

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and one night he says you know he says

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hey man I got an idea let's go camping

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and I'm like camping you know what what

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do I know about camping I've never been

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camping in my life and I knew he'd never

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been camping in his life and he's like

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no no think about it it'd be fun you

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know it'd be out we'll be in the

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outdoors we'll get some fresh air it'll

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be uh it'll be a blast he says I got the

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perfect place to go

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he spoke with someone who was a

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fisherman who told him about this place

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called Devil's Den State Park

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and uh

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real quick I did some research on it

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when I wrote the book in 2017.

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and Devil's Den because I wanted to find

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out where did they get the name devil

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how did that negative that diabolic

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connotation get attached to this park

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and I went back as far as I could go and

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I found that there were two Native

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American tribes that owned the land

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and I contacted a Medicine Woman

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uh from Nakato c-a-t-o Canto uh tribe

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in Northwest Arkansas I forget the name

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of the little town

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and ask her if she talked to me and she

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didn't she gave me

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um a brief history of

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Devil's Den as far as their people are

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concerned and she told me that as far

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back as they don't have written they

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only have oral Traditions as far back as

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oral tradition will take them

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at Devil's Den State Park has always

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been cursed ground that it was a place

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where they would Transit through to get

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from point A to point B but they never

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camped there never hunted there never

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fished there

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she said it was cursed ground I uh

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I Then followed up I had a friend with

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the who from University of Michigan in

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Ann Arbor who had a friend through a

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connection to the University of Arkansas

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uh and it spoke to the anthropology

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department and an archaeologist who had

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done excavations all around the area

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she told me that they had done

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excavations all around the area

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but she said it was very unique inside

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they've never found a single artifact

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not a single Flint tool not that

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evidence of burnt charcoal there's

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absolutely no evidence of any human

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habitation inside that Park area and all

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around it there's there's evidence uh

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going back thousands of years so she

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said it's it's a unique place

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and there have been a lot of people

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disappear

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mysteriously from Devil's Den State Park

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yeah it's at the stage one what happened

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the first one I found happened in 1947

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and it was a little girl seven years of

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age named Catherine van alst and her

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family was from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

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and they took a trip in a camper uh

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shortly after World War II there was a

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kind of a camping craze that went

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through the United States and people

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were buying these pull behind campers

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and the family it was uh the mother

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father uh two younger siblings and then

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Catherine Vanoss says I said age seven

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and they drove and they plotted their

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trip on their way south to El Paso Texas

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to spend they were spent two nights in

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the campgrounds at Devil's Den State

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so uh they got to the campground

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have a fine time get all set up had a an

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uneventful night and then the following

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breakfast on on a picnic table

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and the two boys are running around the

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camper and uh

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the mother looks over and says boys

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where's your sister

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and they're like well she's right here

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well she wasn't

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and they said we swear she was right

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here and you know mother was annoyed but

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not not too freaked out she says go find

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your sister so of course they run to the

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restrooms and they run to the kiosk in

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the ranger station and they're they're

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looking all over for their sister and

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they come back and they're there they're

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freaked out they're like we can't we

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can't find her

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so this commotion gets Dad involved and

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he comes out and uh

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he's half panicked he's like let's find

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because this Campground is in the middle

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of very thick forest extremely thick

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forest all the way around High Rocky

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it'd be difficult for her to manage she

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was in a swimsuit with uh like flip-flop

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sandals

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and it'd be uh it'd be a very difficult

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terrain for her to get around in

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but they get other campers involved

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can't find her they're calling her name

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they get Park Rangers involved they're

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calling her can't find her uh the search

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expands that this is a state park and

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um a federal Park

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and a larger Park called Ozark national

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forest and there were a lot of Park

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Rangers assigned there and they came

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over they got involved in this hunt and

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then first night passes no Catherine

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second night passes and the search is

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set up to last seven days on the seventh

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day it'll it'll it'll shift from a

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rescue to a recovery and of course

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that'll knock down the urgency and uh

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she'll be a lost little girl

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a group of students there were student

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volunteers from the University of

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Arkansas who came in by The busloads Who

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were out helping hunt for this little

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Porter Chadwick what's his name Porter

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Chadwick is walked up on a high

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elevation a bluff

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and is yelling for Catherine

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Switchback trail that you have to walk

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through to get up there no idea how she

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did that in in sandals so he carries you

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down to the campground little girl's

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been missing for six nights seven days

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back at the campground they have a

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doctor there

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she is a hundred percent hydrated

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she has not lost an ounce of weight

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according to her mother her mother said

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quote that her her hair smelled clean

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she had washed it the evening before she

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went missing

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and they asked her they said well you

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know Catherine where have you been

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and she said I don't know I just heard

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somebody call my name and I thought you

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sent them to get me and they asked her

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how did you get up here

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and she said I don't know

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I I tried to find her I had no luck of

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course she may have had a married name

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1947's a long time ago uh God I would

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love to have talked to her

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likewise Porter Chadwick I couldn't find

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him either

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um but it's well documented in our

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newspaper articles both in the Kansas

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City Star and the Pittsburgh Press uh

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so it's just an amazing creepy story

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yeah and as a father I'm glad the little

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girl gets found to hit that there at the

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um I can't imagine yeah yeah it's got so

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many Hallmarks of different classic

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cases of abduction but then returning

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you know messing time is assumed within

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that and like you say it's one of those

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it's a shame that it was so long ago the

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little ghettos loved a full life are

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hoping it's potentially still with us or

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passed on at this time and same with the

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student who found her but yeah and

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obviously we're going to get on to talk

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about your case you said there was a

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second case as well

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I want to know a little bit more though

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on on Hillary Clinton if she had beaten

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Trump as everyone sort of expected you

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know other than Trump supporters and

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they got in from the UK we were pretty

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shocked when Trump won if it had been

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you know sliding doors moment holiday

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gets in

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do you think she gets to to make that

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discovery that announcement or do you

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think it gets obfuscated and hidden away

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and

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can you see it really playing out I can

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uh I could also see her being killed

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you know really well I mean

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yeah I mean if it depends on how the

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people that are curating the secret

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you know what how desperate they think

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it is to keep it not out there uh

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anything could have happened it's

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interesting I've uh outside of my UFO

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stuff I've written a couple of uh what

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if books

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um that have both one uh the sidewise

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award for alternate history one of them

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was about what if JFK survived Dallas

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and the other was what if the Beatles

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stayed together so they weren't

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necessarily UFO uh books although both

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have a UFO connection JFK supposedly did

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know something about UFOs and was

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interested and certainly The Beatles had

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John Lennon's UFO sighting back in 1974

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but my point is

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what I was looking for in those books

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was a great what if one where you could

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see wow history was really cleave in a

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different direction well think about

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that with Hillary Clinton I could write

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a great third book on that if I had the

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time where it'd be Hillary Clinton gets

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in instead of trump

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what happens to the UFO issue I think

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that it would have been her intent it

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seems clear now it would have been her

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intent to uh Usher in uh an era of

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some extra transparency on the issue I

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don't know that she would have I doubt

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that she would have given every reporter

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in the nation a hard drive with

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terabytes of photos or anything but I

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think she might have acknowledged

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um there are things in the sky we don't

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know what they are I'm looking into it

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um the the government's going to look

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into it and we're all in this together

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uh she might have said something like

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that

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intent and and and we both know Steve

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Bassett the political activist on the

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UFO issue he certainly thinks that's

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the absolute truth

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you mentioned uh previous presidents

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obviously the bushes both were in

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administration one of the listeners had

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sent me over a question I want to try

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and ask

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um Bryce you've previously recounted

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this is from Dave Smithers um that a

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senior politician who was in the bush

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cabinet told you when you were younger

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that the truth about UFOs and others was

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existentially shocking do you often

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think about what he meant by that and

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does that still worry you well I tell

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you it certainly

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to do justice to that story

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would hijack the rest of our time

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together so I I give you a very short

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version of it and and I guess we kind of

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move on

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um prior to um

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creating Dark Skies I met with my

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partner Brent Friedman and I didn't know

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him at the time and he told me a story

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about when he was an 18 year old and he

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had been hired to drive a car across the

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United States to deliver it to someone

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who was in Reagan's cabinet who lived in

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the neighborhood he was at and was a

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family friend and that this person

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um was the under Secretary of the Navy

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in the first term in Secretary of Energy

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in the second term and that he told

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Brent some harrowing things which I'm

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just not going to get into right now

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it's too long of a story but suffice it

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to say this person felt that his very

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basis of reality had been challenged

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that he had been briefed and the

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briefing wasn't so good and I'll just

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I'll just give you the one quote

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um he said he cried himself to sleep

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every night during the briefing period

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which apparently was six to eight weeks

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and uh Brett asked him why and he said

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because I have I have daughters and this

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is the world they're going to live in

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and

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that is kind of existentially

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disquieting right so I you know I

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actually believe that story to be true I

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mean I've looked into it and and I know

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Brent's

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um truthfulness so I think there is a

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darker side to this it doesn't mean

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there isn't a lighter side I have not

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heard uh the lighter side in the same

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kind of graphic relief that I I heard

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about the darker side

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um I don't know if that what the

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question was

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where am I going with this just what

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what do you think came in and does it

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what do you which I think you've

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answered within that yeah I I I just

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think that this person and by the way

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Ross and I are looking into this story

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so you'll hear more about it in the

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future and also I'm writing a book right

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now uh where I'm going to try to lay out

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the whole thing because I just think

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it's part of the historical record now

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when we were doing Dark Skies I didn't

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think of it that way I thought well

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that's a great story now let's go do a

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TV series

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um but now that I'm thinking of this in

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an equally journalistic way

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I think it's an important part of

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history that should be preserved in fact

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I urge everyone who's ever seen anything

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or heard anything uh you know this is

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the time to write it down this is the

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time to to make sure that the the

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historical record for future historians

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to to find needs to be as clear as

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possible so if you've got a story that

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never got told or even if you it was

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told write it down in as much

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specificity as possible and share it

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because

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um

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because we obviously know there's a

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phenomenon and we need to get our our

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arms around it and figure out what it

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means to us

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one of the stories that's touched on in

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the book uh I spoke to chase klutzky

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um back in the early days of the podcast

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in 2020 and at the time a listener had

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uh shared a story with me which you

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included within the book and essentially

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Chase and her husband was with her and a

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few other folks and you experienced

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missing Time Crossing a section of a

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field that you're you're all well aware

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I should only take a few minutes and it

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takes much longer during that encounter

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The Listener asked me given something

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they had heard that you had been taken

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off Planet during that experience and I

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wonder if that's something you would

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confirm if that has ever happened to you

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or anyone with you I asked Chase and at

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the time she didn't want to comment

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well I write about chasing the book and

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um

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a little short

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her husband is a U.S naval sub Commander

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right Carrie secret Clarence says he's

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this big guy he navigates the world

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underneath the water and has a watched

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navigation watched I mean High texting

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and what it was was a

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um a group of people uh from a ghost

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hunting outfit in Wilmington North

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Carolina was in my little Hometown where

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my mother was born and I was kind of

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reared up a little town called Saint

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Paul's

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my grandfather's buried there my family

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is buried and it's only 20 minutes from

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where I live now

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but Chase calls me on a Sunday night and

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says oh Monday night and says Chris have

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you ever heard of Saint Paul's

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I said hold on don't tell me yes I've

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heard of Saint Paul's I was raised there

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I said but don't tell me I want to tell

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you first

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so I began to tell her about Saturday

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night I walk outside I sit down on the

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patio got a fire going

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and um I'm laid back looking straight up

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at the sky just meditating and suddenly

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two orange organs appear

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way up and they came all the way down to

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the top of the trees and sat there in

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the back of my property hovering over

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the trees two great big orange doors

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when they left they shot off towards

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Saint Paul's so I told her this story

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and then she tells me about these Ghost

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Hunters

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um that they had walked out of the house

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and into the forest and

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these orange streaks went right over

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their head and two hours later

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uh they lost two hours of time so she

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asked if I would be in interested in

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investigating it with her because she

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was coming to our area and so a week

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later

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I call a friend from NASA he flies in

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for the day I pick him up and that's the

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famous Timothy Taylor you hear Diana

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silk talk about I introduced him to

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Diana by the way she uh

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she met him a couple years three years

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after I did or so

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um but

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we were all there and and that night

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they invited me back for a ghost hunt

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they wanted to recreate the thing

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should I dropped Tim back off at the

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airport and he goes home to Huntsville I

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went back over there and met with them

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and they did their thing in the house

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with their EVPs and I sat outside I

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wasn't interested in that

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but the where they missed time was

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behind the house

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there's a cabin in the edge of the

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forest behind a kind of across the field

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so you walk out the back door of this

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plantation house is a Big Field go to

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the other side of the field and inside

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the trees just in the woods is this

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cabin

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so we go over there

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and we take off through the forest

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behind the cabin and 15 minutes walk we

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come out on a power line a big high

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tension power line just just a clear

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Lane you know you can see their way of

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mild

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but it's 15 minutes across these heads

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of woods but here's the key behind that

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cabin is a dish 10 feet from the back

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steps is a big ditch so we all had to go

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in the ditch it's dry trees growing up

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in a thick forest

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and then with the 10 minutes to the

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power line

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so when it was time to go back to the

552
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,000
cabin we made it through the woods got

553
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:08,280
over there looked around and on our way

554
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:10,440
back

555
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,900
um when we started Pete's like I'll do

556
00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:15,360
the navigation we need to take this

557
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:17,220
heading we're going to come right out at

558
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,100
the car where the cabin is

559
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:23,039
so eight of us in that group I was the

560
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:24,840
number eight in line I was in the back

561
00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:27,240
Chase was in front of me so we were

562
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:29,880
bringing up the tail end peace in the

563
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:32,100
front God

564
00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:35,820
when we get to the ditch handy

565
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:38,580
I'd never seen anything like this

566
00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:42,179
especially when I saw Pete and what it

567
00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:45,960
did to him and this guy's six foot five

568
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:49,880
or six and he's you know he's a he's a

569
00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:54,240
model Navy sealed just a big honking

570
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,000
he's a teddy bear right but he's still

571
00:23:03,289 --> 00:23:00,960
a very smart guy so when we got to the

572
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,299
dish and we walked down in a ditch and

573
00:23:08,210 --> 00:23:05,940
out on the other side we walked back out

574
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:08,220
on the power line

575
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,900
there is no dictionary the power line

576
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,760
it's behind that cabin

577
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,400
and when we did that everybody said oh

578
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:17,280
my God and I didn't I knew what happened

579
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:20,039
because I was meditating I was singing a

580
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,980
song the whole way across there

581
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:25,679
and it messed everybody up really bad

582
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,679
and we went turned around and walked

583
00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:31,140
back the other way towards the power

584
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:33,659
line we thought and we came to the ditch

585
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:36,179
again and walked through the ditch up to

586
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:37,679
the cabin

587
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:40,260
and it just blew the whole group's mind

588
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,600
and I told him I said we lost 15 minutes

589
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:43,919
of time

590
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:46,140
well how and so they went home and they

591
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:48,360
were they had helmet cams and recording

592
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:51,780
devices and you know they had all kinds

593
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:54,299
of equipment they had started a timer in

594
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:55,980
the car

595
00:24:00,649 --> 00:23:59,220
and she calls me on

596
00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:00,659
the following

597
00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:02,580
um Monday or Tuesday after they reviewed

598
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:04,200
the evidence and she said you're never

599
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,880
going to believe what happened I said

600
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,880
yeah we lost 15 minutes of time

601
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:10,980
she said how did you know

602
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,039
I said because I witnessed it it takes

603
00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:16,200
15 minutes to go across that head of

604
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,740
words and one trip across that is when

605
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:21,059
they took us

606
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,640
and um

607
00:24:28,909 --> 00:24:25,860
see anyhow yeah I write about this story

608
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,919
and it is a lot more to it

609
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,260
and um

610
00:24:34,549 --> 00:24:32,640
yeah

611
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:34,559
so that's not the only person I've had

612
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:36,780
scientists from the government lose as

613
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:39,659
much as two hours of time on my property

614
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:43,020
along with me

615
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:45,900
and I wonder how many times do you

616
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,260
remember potentially being taken off

617
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,640
planet

618
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:52,559
quite a few

619
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,919
right and it to any of the others such

620
00:24:59,210 --> 00:24:57,720
as and I know Chase didn't want to talk

621
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:59,220
about it at the time

622
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,900
um but any of those scientists or

623
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,000
officials if they have that messing time

624
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760
experience do any of them recall what

625
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:07,679
happened to them or does it tend to be

626
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:10,440
just missing for them it tends to mess

627
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,860
with the memories I can't remember what

628
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:16,559
happened during that time and I don't

629
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:20,039
think we ever will no because they have

630
00:25:26,210 --> 00:25:23,940
a good way of erasing your memory and

631
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:26,220
we tend to get regressions and all that

632
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:29,240
hoping you find Clues but

633
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,539
you can remember bits and pieces of it

634
00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:35,760
it's almost impossible like the four

635
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,700
hours on the river I have plain memories

636
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:41,340
about being over Egypt

637
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:45,539
of all that night of the grueling

638
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,559
uh it was just it was a a big thing

639
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:52,140
scared us all to death and four hours

640
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:55,860
seemed like four years in that world

641
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,980
and I have lots of memories but the

642
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:00,480
Egypt

643
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:03,179
the Temple of hath Thor

644
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,080
the pyramids and the Spanx it's just

645
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,419
reverberates through my brain and it did

646
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:11,039
from the verb again

647
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:13,740
this it's a clue and it's in the book

648
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:16,200
well there are many more stories like

649
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:17,640
that in the book and obviously I don't

650
00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:18,900
want to go through them all because that

651
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,580
would defeat the purpose of of you

652
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:21,840
writing a book you could have just came

653
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:27,830
what I'd like to know is on and this is

654
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,179
from Mike do you have any idea who

655
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,640
specifically might be in charge of their

656
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:35,279
secret UFO recovery program makes under

657
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,020
the impression that someone or one

658
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:39,360
individual group is calling the shots is

659
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,980
that your understanding or is this

660
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,080
spread over a larger area

661
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,480
I'm going to use a word

662
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,000
actually I'm going to use two words

663
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:50,700
Group K

664
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:53,400
remember that

665
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,039
Group K

666
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,500
and I hope it's causing a minor coronary

667
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:00,419
infarction for somebody in the Pentagon

668
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,100
right now

669
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:04,860
that's all I'm going to say

670
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:08,100
but that group is very important if

671
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:09,659
there is

672
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:13,200
an organization that is gatekeeping and

673
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:14,580
if there is

674
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:16,440
and I suspect there is that is

675
00:27:22,010 --> 00:27:19,220
gatekeeping access to information on

676
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:22,020
uaps possibly crash retrievals and

677
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:24,900
possibly reverse engineering programs

678
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,779
a good starting point is the special

679
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,880
Access program oversight committee

680
00:27:33,289 --> 00:27:32,340
membership of the United States defense

681
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,299
department

682
00:27:37,549 --> 00:27:35,400
and they're listed members

683
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:37,559
I've approached a few of them myself

684
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,500
over the years to no great shakes

685
00:27:48,769 --> 00:27:43,440
another one is as well as the sepok

686
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:48,779
there's the srg the senior review group

687
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,260
and these are the people who review the

688
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,000
most sensitive secrets in the US

689
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:59,269
the waived unacknowledged special access

690
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:00,779
programs

691
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:04,140
if anyone knows they do

692
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,120
and look frankly there's a hell of a lot

693
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,860
that's on the public record I just

694
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,159
noticed today for example that

695
00:28:14,769 --> 00:28:12,960
it was flying around social media that

696
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,779
Eric Davis God bless him yet again

697
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,520
Jacques valet's Diaries have provided

698
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,640
more information about an incident where

699
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:24,000
Jacques was informed by Hal putoff Eric

700
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,000
Davis's thin boss at the time that Eric

701
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:29,279
had met no no less than the former

702
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,500
President George Bush Senior

703
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:34,080
and that Bush was giving Eric advice

704
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:38,580
about the um uh intelligence community

705
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:41,880
and Eric not unsurprisingly asked

706
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:44,940
questions about General Corso could

707
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,100
Corso have been mistaken in dealing with

708
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,440
the material he was handling could that

709
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:51,659
have been Nazi Hardware Eric asked

710
00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:54,659
George Bush Senior impossible replied

711
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:55,860
bush

712
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,620
he then remembered General Trudeau who

713
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,200
showed interest he asked

714
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,880
um

715
00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,760
uh okay we'll move on he asked about the

716
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,980
Holloman film which is the alleged

717
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:10,080
Landing of an alien spacecraft at the

718
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:11,700
Holloman Air Force Base which frankly

719
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,980
I've always thought was just a specious

720
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,000
story

721
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:18,240
and the former president was aware of it

722
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:20,520
was it a training film a special ops

723
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:21,539
exercise

724
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:26,159
no George Bush Senior replied it was the

725
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:29,460
real thing there was a secret project

726
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:33,779
and the security was obscene

727
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:36,419
now little tidbits like that appear in

728
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:37,860
Jacques filet's Forbidden Science

729
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,159
Diaries time and time again there was a

730
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,460
mention just the other day of a former

731
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,299
senior member of the government

732
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,340
Accounting Office that was involved in

733
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,380
an audit investigation that allegedly

734
00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,200
uncovered monies leading to the program

735
00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:54,539
I think his name was General bowder from

736
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:55,740
memory

737
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:58,500
there are trails to follow

738
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:01,799
and if I was a member of that gatekeeper

739
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,580
group who are hiding the

740
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,679
evidence that a lot of people suspect

741
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:10,080
that they are hiding I'd be getting very

742
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,059
nervous right now because the Congress

743
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:14,460
has mandated that this information be

744
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,820
provided to the Congress through Arrow

745
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,399
and the stipulation is that if it hasn't

746
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,520
been properly accounted for through the

747
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,100
normal oversight procedures to the

748
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:29,159
Congress it has to be reported within a

749
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,779
very short period of time I think the

750
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:33,600
time is 72 hours to those oversight

751
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:34,740
committees

752
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,799
and I just wonder whether that mandate

753
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,320
has been triggered yet because boy I'm

754
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,720
hearing some amazing stuff from sources

755
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,159
including

756
00:30:48,769 --> 00:30:46,080
sources who've told me that they've

757
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:48,779
approached the congress with information

758
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,020
about the program

759
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,600
and I'm just hoping people are being

760
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:57,419
named and shamed because even if there

761
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:59,520
is let's just hypothetically assume Andy

762
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,799
that the say a presidential executive

763
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:04,080
order that mandated all of this be kept

764
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,299
secret right back in sale I don't know

765
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,559
19 18 1940s 47 perhaps

766
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:12,899
um let's just say that that's the case

767
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,899
is it legal has anybody ever really

768
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,120
tested the legality of such a a

769
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:20,880
declaration why haven't presidents been

770
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:23,640
briefed and moreover why was President

771
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:26,820
Obama briefed post his presidency and

772
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:29,520
why has his attitude hardened to

773
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,559
suggesting that there just might be

774
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,320
something to this UAP issue

775
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,600
so the the evidence is there an answer

776
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:39,360
to your um your questioner

777
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:41,520
um I do think that there are an

778
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,039
abundance of names that can be pursued

779
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,380
and investigated all the Congress needs

780
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,480
to do is call them

781
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,600
and they can be called involuntarily

782
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:53,640
the big issue my friend and this is

783
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,020
where the pushback's happening is

784
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,120
whether you and I the general public

785
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,340
will get told about it

786
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,440
because don't forget that the only thing

787
00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:04,500
the legislation does is mandate that

788
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,220
proper oversight and accountability be

789
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,200
reinstated on every program involved

790
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,260
with uaps because there's a clear belief

791
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:16,200
in the legislation it's quite clear the

792
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,419
purpose of the legislation is to bring

793
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:22,320
these UAP programs back within the

794
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,120
control and oversight of the proper

795
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:25,919
procedures of Congress

796
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:28,380
there's no requirement that the public

797
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,179
be told

798
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:32,700
and if I was the U.S frankly mate I can

799
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:34,020
see there's a bloody good argument if

800
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,419
I've recovered alien technology and I'm

801
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,980
in a battle with the Russians and the

802
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:39,840
Chinese to develop let's say

803
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:42,120
anti-gravity or propulsion systems or

804
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:45,720
Weapons Systems stealth technology I

805
00:32:49,549 --> 00:32:46,980
sure as hell wouldn't be telling the

806
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:49,559
public about it and that's the issue

807
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,480
is the Congress going to be told about

808
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:53,580
this and is there a possibility that if

809
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:55,500
the Congress could get told about it in

810
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,269
final question then from Newman because

811
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,080
we're running out of time Newman asked

812
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,120
is there any news on evidence of our

813
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:09,059
sensor systems in space having picked up

814
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,740
on new APS

815
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,419
well Christopher Millen wrote a

816
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,640
fantastic piece about this about a year

817
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,860
and a half ago which I really commend to

818
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:19,019
people where he's summarized the

819
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,820
capabilities of all of the different

820
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,440
satellites and all of the different

821
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:24,600
agencies that the um

822
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,200
that the US has I started up my research

823
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,360
I I knew a guy before he passed called

824
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:33,720
Jeff Richardson who did a fantastic book

825
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,059
that I've got on my shelf that talked

826
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:38,159
about the DSP satellites the defense

827
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:39,779
Support Program satellites that

828
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:42,299
essentially looked for flares of rockets

829
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,519
in on the planet below and um boy was my

830
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,580
world shook when I received a very very

831
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,220
confidential briefing from sources who

832
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,799
told me about the technologies that the

833
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:57,600
geospatial agency the national

834
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,080
reconnaissance agency the NSA and the

835
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,539
dod more broadly in the United States

836
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:05,760
have got that that essentially send

837
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:08,940
Telemetry data done through Australia's

838
00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:11,700
Pine Gap base back to the United States

839
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,119
on a on a secure terminal

840
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,520
it's mind-blowing the capabilities that

841
00:34:23,149 --> 00:34:19,260
they've got they're not just looking at

842
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:23,159
Earth they're looking out towards space

843
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,139
and don't forget also my friend the

844
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,800
James Webb Telescope I mean wow you know

845
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,260
you've got a purpose-built platform now

846
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,540
on the other side of the moon that is

847
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:35,520
able to look at the universe in ways

848
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,139
we've never been able to look at before

849
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,619
it's actually really exciting and time

850
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,240
and time again people like Christopher

851
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:44,879
melon that gentleman whose name

852
00:34:49,310 --> 00:34:47,280
momentarily escapes me who's the former

853
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,320
deputy head of the Coast Guard who um

854
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,480
Jay from Project unity's head on a few

855
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,119
times Gallade I think his name is he's

856
00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:57,359
talked about the importance of data held

857
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:01,080
I think by the geospatial agency and the

858
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:02,220
nro

859
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:06,240
it's quite clear that there is a vast

860
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,339
amount of data I think the biggest

861
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,619
repository of a lot of this data though

862
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,680
is the Department of energy

863
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,560
it goes right back to 1947 when the

864
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,079
department of energy was involved in the

865
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,599
um Los Alamos testing and when a lot of

866
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,700
strange objects were coming down in the

867
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,119
Nevada desert and more by accident and

868
00:35:30,849 --> 00:35:29,400
historical happenstance by then by

869
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:30,859
Design

870
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:33,900
Los Alamos the department of energy

871
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:37,619
became I think a major point for

872
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,260
where a lot of this data went

873
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,440
and it's not a coincidence my friend the

874
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,660
department of energy is excluded from

875
00:35:49,069 --> 00:35:47,760
Freedom of Information laws

876
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,079
go figure

877
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,540
that is all for this week's show thank

878
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,400
you very much for listening please

879
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,380
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00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,260
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00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,859
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890
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